Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Though, this was published in the fifties. But brain lateralization research I didn't think was that primitive.

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Oh. eighties

I can't say I've had direct experience wrt the bicameral mind theory but I keep running into it from sources I trust so I'm just gonna run with it honestly

Ah, a 1976 theory.

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That was put forward by a different person.

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It says the theory only applies to humans living more than 3000 years ago. Which is strange.

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Oh no. The theory is defended by what would be considered evidence of plurality these days.

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It's a competing theory with tulpas.

mmm I gotta admit I definitely haven't reintegrated the bicameral mind theory in light of new experiences/discoveries of mine

okay for one yeah, I said bicameral mind when I really just meant brain lateralization; the bicameral part is just one consequence of it and irrelevant to the document (edited)

What does bicameral mean

the bicameral mind theory is basically the lateralization theory, plus the concept that thousands of years ago the two hemispheres were separate enough that they communicated via unintegrated mental vocalization, thus gods, muses, daemons etc.

Oh ok thank bb

Is there a more metaphysics tulpa discord server, does anyone know?

Not necessarily, but there is a metaphysics part of i

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it*

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.info was formed mainly for the psychological side

There are metaphysical servers out there, but they are all more metaphysical first, and tulpa's are "accepted"

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Instead of people a metaphysical tulpa server

If anyone knows of the metaphysical servers, I'd be really happy to know them.

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I'm having difficulty finding them.

there might be some on /x/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/8iiag5/occultwitchcraft_discord_server_revamp_950/

r/Tulpas - Occult/Witchcraft Discord Server Revamp! 950+ Members! ...

4 votes and 0 so far on reddit

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I haven't joined it though, just seen it posted recently

Thank you so much!

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made me chuckle

I believe in the multiverse which basically means I believe in multiple worlds, parallel universes and dimensions apart from this one. This also is why I believe that fictional characters exist. And that these characters exist on these other planets. Calling Jack and any other ‘mon “fake” just feels insulting to me (I don’t know about them. They probably don’t care). I’m not a tulpamancer but a soulbond which really the only big difference is that soulbonders believe that their headmates are actually beings from other planets that speak to them through telepathy and can do other things that tulpas can do. Hopefully that explains it. @Андрей

Thats legit, it seems alot of people dont take that path of reasoning cause its hard to validate through external means. Though I have my own things I believe that are validated to me through my experience. Shakey ground if you know what I mean.

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Can you invite or dismiss these extra dimensional entities at will or do they come and make themselves at home randomly. I guess what im asking is, how did Jack and Shadow come to be? Or maybe its more appropriate to ask what drew them to you and how they became known to you? If you dont mind me asking

It too long of a story to get into. Shadow came to me over time 10 years during all the stuff I went though in high school and Jack came to me one day for awknowledging his existence I guess. Most gravitate to me because of our similar beliefs about subjects. You can invite or dismiss anyone you want. I don't really know how to explain it right now.

honestly if your own experiences are shaky ground, what could you possibly hope to replace them with?

Umm... nothing...................................................... But they are like family to me since I don't really have a "family". The only biological family member I have is my mother but she is verbally and emotionally abusive to me and has been over the years. So my soulbonds and my friends are like the family I never had.

mhm. Though the question was more directed at Uli

Oh >_<

it's quite alright

@Mystes (thought your name was CelestialBacon for a sec

) Its shakey ground for me because the predominant culture builds structures, both thought & physical, that deny the possibility of my personal experiences. Experiences that I dont know how to objectively prove while also having an awareness of how prone to delusion myself and people are in general.

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Maybe I didnt answer your question properly, if you want to rephrase it...?

nothing better than tulpas to nail it down that your experiences are your own, and that they are valid even if entirely subjective and personal

Well I've taught myself to believe in something through meditation but there is always a part of me that wants to understand it better. Doubt allows me to keep asking questions

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and hopefully keeps me sane enough

curiosity is good; and, use your intuition to guide you through your experiences. The more you grow to trust it the better it gets

Yeah thats certainly a struggle for me

mhm. Make sure to practice lots! That's how you develop that trust. Also meditation helps with clearing the mind and letting just the right stuff come through

Im working with Franz Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics. Incredible book. While the info there isnt directly relevant learning about energetic principles, how they are at play in life, and how to manipulate them is a huge boon

Shadow would sometimes inhabit the plush but the Shadow plush eventually became it's own entity.

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why is Shadow holding GTA

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Because that was something I bought to play a long time ago and I wanted to take a picture of him holding it.

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Amazing

Wait he controlled the plushie

I believe in multiple universes too; simply because of the low probability of our universe coming to be at all. It's like this: with one universe, it's a bit like you're rolling a fucking 900 billion sided die, hoping to land on a 1 for life. Now, if you roll the die infinite times, the chance of reality sustaining life goes up to 100 percent, and since other shit can happen after the constants deciding if it's possible are set, each reality would have its major differences. That's not my main reasoning, but I think it's the simplest one to portray, though logically not super strong. (edited)

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There's also some quantum mechanical fuckery going on, but I'm not going to type an essay about that

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Yes, it's not very useful since there's no falsifiable way to measure and test it

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And yeah, it's a pretty big logical leap

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But if you believe in string theory (which, as annoying as it is because it doesn't predict anything testable, it's based on observations and could potentially make testable predictions now that it is expanding) it makes more sense than not.

@MariaTheFictionkin#2854 so what do you think would happen, for instance, if one of your souldbonds was killed off in the cannon?

huh? do you think they'd die? but aren't soulbonds separate? just like if you based your tulpa off of someone, they wouldn't exactly be that person?

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are soulbonds more like kins and that area, or are they more of the tulpa-other conscious sorta thing?

I don't know, but from the description she gave above it says like they believe they're actually the characters from another planet

hmm

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that sounds more like kin, then.... i think if they died, they'd know they died, but wouldn't actually die. i could be wrong, since soulbonds and kins probably aren't exactly the same thing. i'd say wait for them to reply, but it looks like they left the server...?

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maybe someone else knows more about soulbonds

But if your soulbond is actually an extraterrestrial being, nobody can have the same soulbond as you, right?

from what i understand, a soulbond is like a tulpa that has a kin

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people can have multiple tulpas and kins, but people can't share tulpas as they can with kins

What

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Is a ki

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Kin*

ah, sorry, let me finish my train of thought first

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so i don't think you can share soulbonds exactly, because it's like giving someone your tulpa

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so any relationship or memories you've created with yours is specifically and specially yours

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but someone could have a soulbond that acts and looks like yours, because they were both based off of the same character

What is a soulbound?

What is a kin

i don't know exactly myself, but from what i've been gathering, it's basically like a tulpa and the only difference is how they're made and their inability to change from the character they were based on, i guess?

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a kin basically is

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or not the term, but having a kin is having another identity based off a fictional character

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fickin, at least

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having otherkin is thinking you're also another being, typically an animal

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i hope i'm explaining that correctly (edited)

So a kin is another identity that is part of you, yet completely different?

A soulbond is a tulpa-like entity who believes they literally are the character from their source material. Generally relies on multiverse theory.

not completely different, but i guess sometimes it could be

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people usually have their fickins because they relate to a character

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i dunno about the otherkin part though

-kin is where you believe you are spiritually a different being, but you can have multiple -kins, because of past lifes and such. I'm not really that well read up on it.

thanks... i bet you're explaining it better than i did thonkachu

No worries

Thank you, Ivy

So would the soulbond go through an identity crisis following some crazy plot twist the host finds out about in the source material?

Possibly, or they consider themselves only from that single snapshot of the source

Say the host has a soulbond of Captain America and the host just read a comic saying he was secretly a nazi, or that he died. Wouldn't that cause some kind of intense identity crisis?

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If they consider themselves to BE the source character like implied in Mariathefictionkin's explanation

I've known soulbonds who have been very against anyone questioning them being the character, and others who over time decided they were just a tulpa. However I don't hold an opinion one way or another.

Right, let's say it's the first option, and the publisher of the original stories prints an issue/game/movie/episode where the character dies, and dies for good. does the soulbond freak out? Do they realize they're a Tulpa? Maybe they think they're from an alternate timeline of the source material where that never happened? The issue where it happened is the other timeline? These are questions I want to ask but don't personally know of anyone with experience with

The only person I currently know with soulbonds is Maria. She might come along and answer eventually.

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Though I can see any of those happening

well, she does have a server

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i'm not sure if i can link it, but if you really want answers, maybe it's open out there somewhere